In this program I continue to explore what poetry was to Rumi. Sometimes it was the music to his happy moments, and comfort during sadness. But he also used it for more complex things like keeping us curious, or showing us the value in perplexity. Most of all, he loved helping us discover the movement in things that seem unable to move, like grapes’ journey to sweetness. I end with our own journey to Shiraz, again, where Saʿdi’s poetry helped me reach my ailing mother.