A Bi-Weekly Podcast with host Fatemeh Keshavarz
In this summer special episode, I discuss the worldly awareness of medieval Persian poets and thinkers, emphasizing their attention to cultures different than their own. Three figures are showcased: the philosopher Aziz Nasafi, Rumi, and Sa’di of Shiraz.
On the occasion of the arrival of spring, millions of people across the globe are celebrating “Nowruz.” In this program, I explore the literary, symbolic, and spiritual meanings of the concept of spring through a few examples from the ghazals of Hafiz, Sa‘di, and Rumi.
In this episode, we take another poetic journey to Shiraz to spend Yalda with the master poet, Saʿdi. He speaks of the symbolic significance of nights as moments of repose, and of cruelty to others as the true darkness. We return to Konya wishing Iranians’ suffering in this Yalda of cruelty to come to an end soon.
In this program I continue to explore what poetry was to Rumi. Sometimes it was the music to his happy moments, and comfort during sadness. But he also used it for more complex things like keeping us curious, or showing us the value in perplexity. Most of all, he loved helping us discover the movement in things that seem unable to move, like grapes’ journey to sweetness. I end with our own journey to Shiraz, again, where Saʿdi’s poetry helped me reach my ailing mother.
In this program, I start by underlining Rumi’s emphasis on the concept of sokhan (‘human speech’). For our poet, human beings are made up of their thoughts, which they give birth to when they speak. Like roads, even superhighways, human speech connects peoples and cultures across cities and continents. Then we do something new: we travel from Konya where Rumi lived all the way to the Southwest of Iran, to hear the Great Saʿdi of Shiraz on the same topic.